In Part One of the Great Rollover Saga, your bold and feisty protagonist had nearly lost her mind dealing with the various people involved in trying to get everything transferred over. Out of 3 accounts (all done at the same time because why not?), not one of them was accepted after the initial round of effort.
It was time to get serious for Round Two.
Well.….…. it was time to get serious after the whole plan got interrupted by your favorite bold and feisty blogger becoming a comatose, feverish mess for a week after succumbing to Covid. (I’m fine now but I did not have the energy to make food, let alone argue with people on the phone. Not to mention I kept coughing like a 30-year smoker.)
After I recovered from Covid, I resumed my efforts. I was not going to be defeated by this rollover process. I got two emails from the benefits center that my documents had been received. This was incredibly stressful since I sent 3 envelopes, but the last confirmation email arrived the following day, so while the anxiety was fierce, it was short-lived. Thankfully.
Round Two for Prime
Prime, if you recall, is the main 401(k) account from the first company to employ me. I sent in the paper check, the form from the benefits center, and the plan information that included the Letter of Determination (LoD) from the IRS that it came from a qualified plan. The form was good, the check was incorrectly addressed, and they missed the LoD statement in the stack of paperwork. I used the chat function to talk to an employee at the benefits center and copied the transcript into a Word doc so I had a record of what was said. That came very in handy. So, I was able to get them to accept the LoD but the check was still incorrectly made out. They had rejected the check and were going to send it back to me in the mail with me none the wiser if I hadn’t followed up. The confirmation emails I got said to allow two business days for processing so after each batch of mail was accepted, I had to call in two days later to see what exciting and wonderful things I had to do next.
To do for round 3: get a new check filled out correctly and mail it in.
Round Two for Triangle
The check for Triangle was sent directly from Vanguard to the benefits center so that was one less stressor on me. I was told the 1099‑R would be adequate information for them, but they told me the wrong information. It was not enough for the LoD, but it was enough to count as my distribution statement.
More on that later.
The problem with this one was the money was rolled over into an IRA, so it wasn’t technically an employer retirement account anymore and I didn’t have access to the LoD anymore. An hour on hold with Vanguard just to talk to someone led to two transfers with the requisite identity verification questions and multiple holds as they tried to find the LoD from the original plan. Miraculously, they were able to find it for me AND it was sent to my message center online the next day. No mail! Woo! So the next day I downloaded the pdf statement.
I was all set to print it out and mail it, but then I discovered the benefits center had a very cleverly hidden online document upload link. I uploaded the LoD and, no joke, it was accepted with the money deposited into my current 401(k) account a few days later. IT WAS A MIRACLE.
Round 3 to do: Nothing!
Round Two for Southdown
This was brutal, y’all. This account was missing both the letter of determination and the distribution statement; the check was actually addressed correctly so that wasn’t an issue. Once again, I had to call back the original investment company and get them to send the documents to me. They agreed to send the letter of determination straight to my benefits center address instead of using me as the middle (wo)man. The distribution statement took a little longer for them to find and send to me in the mail.
BUT. A stroke of luck! I found the original documents, took a picture, and uploaded it to the wonderful people at the benefits center. It was accepted before I got the packet in the mail!
Round 3 to do: Nothing!
Round Three for Prime
I called Fidelity back once again and went over the issue with them. They canceled the first check and issued a new check that was correctly addressed. You know how there’s a saying that says “Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades”? Well, this was accurate because the check was nearly addressed correctly. But not quite. So I got that addressed, they mailed the check to me, I sent it on to the benefits center and it was accepted. FINALLY.
Round 3 to do: Nothing!
Final Thoughts
Ultimately, even though it was the world’s biggest pain in the ass process, I’m grateful I went through all the hassle. Having one account to check each month for my updates is WONDERFUL. Things are so much easier when I don’t have to check three different accounts and add them all up for one cell in the spreadsheet. It might seem like relatively minor improvements, but any hurdle I can remove is beneficial to my silly brain that likes to convince me there are too many steps.
The other major benefit came when I interviewed for the new job at my current employer. Part of the screening requirements for the new job involved checking into my finances to make sure there are no conflicts of interest that would interfere with my ability to be an impartial judge at client sites. Instead of having to list out all those former 401k accounts, I didn’t have to list any at all since they were able to see what my employer-sponsored retirement accounts looked like. That simplified the interview HR did with me, so all this effort wasn’t wasted after all!
That being said, I do not want to go through the rollover process again anytime soon! If I’ll need to do that in the future, I hope the process has evolved to take advantage of technological advancements like intra-company fund transfers. While I’m at it, I’d also like to wish for a purple pony! Ha!
I had a similar issue with a direct PFG 401K to Vanguard rollover IRA xfer. I had done a transfer the previous year without a problem except for being double billed for the transfer fee. This time PFG sent the check to Vanguard FTC and unbeknowst to me they screwed up and left off my SS#. Vanguard told me over the phone multiple times that they did not receive it. One month later PFG told me the transfer was rejected and they had received the returned check and contacted me immediately — which was blatant lie. When I called to berate Vanguard, they admitted they received it and rejected it but since they had several account holders with my same name (I’m skeptical of the same middle initial) they never connected it to me even when I asked them about it the first and second times and told them the exact seven digits (~$20K and cents) in the amount. Vanguard also claimed they called PFG who refused to provide more information over the phone. Clearly one of them lied about that call also. Bottom line is Vanguard does a terrible job with exceptions. PFG fixed the check and re-sent it and it went smoothly the second time. I am so happy to be done with PFG as they had crappy investment choices with >2% expense ratios and a $100 transfer out fee.
Oof. What an unbelievably annoying process. I’m glad you eventually got it all sorted out! I found it helpful to contact them via chat so I had a record of who said they did what and when they did it.
Happy to see your still updating your blog.